Cross Country merged with EMT to form a brand called Midland Connect. "Great" means "large", not "very good". Something timeless. It's not going to be called Rail England and if it was, there'd be nothing "Queen Nicola" could do about it. It's the name of the island ffs. With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains.. Question for the designers. This grey panel finished just short of the end of the coach leaving a small amount of Rail Blue which then continued round onto the end of the coach. GBR will be modelled on the operations of Transport for London, which contracts services on systems such as London Overground. It is not necessary to have it on platform signs as if you don't know you are on the railway when you see them there probably isn't much hope for you. for some form of co-branding. In 1978 the British Railways Board began planning a new livery for the future, and in that August Class 56 diesel locomotive 56036 was painted to test a modified livery[11][12] of all-over Rail Blue with the entire loco front in bright yellow to improve visibility, this extending down the sides of the loco to the rear of the cab windows which were, in turn, outlined in black. Interesting mock up doublearrow on Twitter just posted: What problem is this supposed to be fixing? It looks like BR. All HS2 and NPR services to be branded as Intercity Express. Japan had JNR (Japan National Railways) and now, post nationalisation, it has JR (Japan Railways). Finsbury Park. But Beatties second charge is more interesting. (Something that ought to give die-hard advocates of splitting off the Scottish Conservatives pause for thought.) In 1977 two Class 47 locomotives, 47163 and 47164, were painted by Stratford TMD with silver roofs and other decorations including a full body height Union Flag on each side, in celebration of Queen Elizabeth II's silver jubilee. Not so much the modern LNER though. Like the Thameslink 700 "can't be bothered" livery. All Class 42 "Warship" class diesels were delivered in green but some Class 52s were delivered in maroon to match the then-standard coaching stock livery. In 1964, as part of a plan to develop a new corporate image for British Railways, a number of experiments were tried; Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. I would rather that operations were branded similar to how they are now, but with a few changes compared with the existing TOC areas as follows: Chiltern Railways renamed as Chiltern & Oxbridge, with brand used on all planned EWR services in addition to those from London Marylebone. With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains. But such an approach offers a bleak long-term outlook for the UK. This competition aimed to identify a place with a rich railway heritage, strong links to the national network and significant public support, while creating a great opportunity to promote the location as the proud home for the start of a new era in Britains railways. [7], The reorganisation does not affect Northern Ireland, where the railway is already operated by the vertically integrated and already wholly state-owned Northern Ireland Railways. The 4REP and 3/4TC EMUs were a notable oddity, initially receiving all-over Rail Blue despite being express corridor stock. Regional divisions will manage concession contracts, stations, infrastructure, and local and regional budgets, integrate track and train, and integrate rail with local transport services. In May 2022, the Government announced proposed legislation to modernise rail services and improve reliability for passengers. It's a given that there will be brands underneath GBR - if there weren't, it would make travelling pretty complicated. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have. JavaScript is disabled. But do we really want to go back to that? 1948 -. You are using an out of date browser. And Great Britain is more often than not used to mean the whole of England/Scotland/Wales, excluding Northern Ireland - a legacy of the Kingdom of Great Britain, which existed from 1707 to 1800. Which does what it says on the tin. Read more about them in our, National HQ competition for Great British Railways. As built it was a sort of purplish-red stripe with a lighter red shadow, then this changed to solid red in the late 90s/early 2000s. Because it was a nationalised industry run by the British Government. Press J to jump to the feed. But the move still opens up some possibilities which Michael Gove and the rest of the Governments Union strategy team should consider. Introduced originally by the Great Western Railway, the Travelling Post Office would set out from London in the dead of night and deliver . Another Class 52, No.D1015 Western Champion was delivered in another, darker yellow/brown colour described as 'Golden Ochre', though somewhat different from that applied to D5579. Famous in York and up and down the East Coast Main Line, LNER could soon be consigned to history - again, YorkMix understands. This colour was applied to all diesel and electric locomotives, with the exception of the ends, which were painted yellow to improve visibility, and the underframes and buffer beams which were painted black; the paints being to BSS 2660-0.003 and BSS 2660-9.103 respectively. British Railways was formed in 1948, it was divided into geographical regions loosely based on the pre-war Big Four company areas, Scotland became a region on its own and the former LNER area was divided into North Eastern and Eastern Regions. 3 Apr 2022 . I can only see negatives. On the other hand Avanti's branding is awful - there is no "Italian flair" in it at all. It may not display this or other websites correctly. "Great" means "large", not "very good". In which case, why do car manufacturers put effort (and substantial amounts of money!) Last week Doug Beattie, the newly-installed leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, hit out at Boris Johnson. It will also control the contracting of passenger train services, the setting of fares and timetables, and the collection of fare revenue, with the exception of services wholly within Scotland and Wales. WMT (operationally separate from LNWR by this point) brand to be used additionally on XC services to Nottingham and Leicester (stopper only). Antrim Princess Sealink ferry underway in Larne with Sealink letters. [14] While this livery had much in common with the "Large Logo" version of Rail Blue livery, including the yellow cabs and larger logo and numbers on the bodyside, the main colour was grey rather than blue. With the reorganisation of British Railways in the mid-1960s, a complete break with the past was signalled by the introduction of a blue and grey livery which dominated all passenger rolling stock until the mid-1980s, when a new Intercity livery (dark grey and beige with a red and white waistband) was introduced along with a number of regional colour schemes. 1948 -. into flashy advertising campaigns, the appearance of the showrooms (and their digital counterpart, the website), and the styling of their vehicles? In 2001, as passenger work for diesel locomotives operated by Virgin CrossCountry came to an end, a number of their Class 47s were painted in "heritage" liveries that they had carried in the past, including the former D1733, now 47853, which once again carried a near-correct version of the XP64 livery. There are conflicting view on Britain versus Great Britain. It may not display this or other websites correctly. For me, it's time to sign off from the Great Western Railway Line. Not too dissimilar to the old Northern logo arrangement. | Page 23 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. After this time small variations in the Rail Blue livery became much more common. The first break in the uniformity of Rail Blue came in 1976 with the introduction of the first InterCity 125 (HST). And other European countries cope with DB trains in France, SNCF trains in Germany etc. Then theres the question of livery. The livery was applied only to some Class 309 "Clacton" units on the former Eastern Region and to a few of Classes 411 (4Cep), 419 (MLV) and 421 (4Cig) on the former Southern Region. Thus Class 47 47170 County of Norfolk, allocated to Stratford and a regular performer on trains between Liverpool Street and Norwich, was painted in Large Logo livery. I'm not aware - what are TfW doing? I might take an example railway station (I'm thinking Rugby) and design signage made for that specific station, to see how things could look practically Not convinced. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Clearly "Great British Railways" does include a bit of "retro" in the manner than gWr does, for example. Home Forums This idea often seems to pop its head up. It still has to look good decades from now. They were repainted into blue/grey in the early 1970s. Bare minimum, low effort. [6], The Vale of Rheidol Railway remained steam operated past the general end of steam traction in 1968; Accordingly the three remaining Vale of Rheidol Railway steam locomotives (Class 98) received the Rail Blue colour scheme and the double arrow logo on their side tanks. [8][9], A fortnight before the WilliamsShapps Plan for Rail was unveiled, the Department for Transport gave notice of a 6.5million contract for Deloitte up to February 2023 as its "strategic change delivery partner: rail reform programme". You are using an out of date browser. The whole GBR thing is complicated as you have ScotRail and TfW already as separate brands that won't change, yet using "Rail England" or whatever is going to provoke outrage where services run by "English" operators go into Scotland and Wales (which rather ignores the same the other way round!). The UK, Britain, Great Britain, The British Isles, England - what's the difference? A later version made minor changes to the livery, the main one of which was to darken the main shade of blue used. Could GBRTT be right for you? Managed to get a look at a new proposed one: But my point is that DB have had the same basic livery for so long. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. In terms of signage, here's what I was working on this morning: Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway, it's good", it says "we have spent the bare minimum, stick to your car". I never knew I had OCD until that remark lol. But then every time I look at a train, I'll think of a bus. Suffice to say, an actual English nationalist would not be passing controversial legislation to enable Westminster to spend even more money on Northern Ireland, as this Government is. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. It was formed from the nationalisation of the Big Four British railway companies, and was privatised in stages between 1994 and 1997. Underneath that in a smaller font, about half the height of the space between the botton track and the bottom of the arrow "Operated by [whomever] for Great British Railways". GBR is currently running a competition to find a town or city outside London to host its headquarters. No.47373 in revised Railfreight "red stripe" livery. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Due to the small number of units repainted it was common to see trains with two or more units in different liveries. From 1974, some DMU sets, after being refurbished, were painted white with a wide blue band under the windows and full yellow ends. Given that the vast majority of passengers dont really care what the brand is, do GBR really need a brand? (60163 still carries this livery in 2018) Black. Every TfW station I've been to are still ATW-branded (in fact, Hereford yesterday). Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. It would appear that were going to be waiting a while even for the new logo, and that given the recent nature of the franchise liveries, that new liveries are a very long way off. The final decision was to be made later in 2022,[16] but the result has not been announced as of February 2023. Great British Railways marks a new era in the history of our railways. If they're bothered about 'red white and blue" then just stick the double arrow in a white background and give it a blue border. Corridor coaching stock and certain express multiple unit classes were painted in Rail Blue with a 44-inch Pearl Grey (BS 2660-9-095) horizontal panel centred vertically on the main windows, outlined by a narrow white line. Most of the coverage has focused on this. One thing that might work, though, would be to drop the full text from the red band and just have a subtle double arrow on the right hand side in that. By 2020s Britain, I mean a design that is reflective of modern day marketing and branding. Great Britain is not a country; its a landmass. The attachments illustrate this. For cost reasons, liveries were usually changed piecemeal, when coaches came in for scheduled maintenance. Originally a trading brand of the Railway Executive of the British Transport . In the early years the colour faded quite badly, becoming lighter and paler with time although this problem had been overcome by the late 1970s. There'll no doubt be someone on here who knows, one way or the other. . We use cookies. The white paper does not specify whether the branding of devolved railways such as London Overground and Merseyrail will be affected.[7]. The creation of Great British Railways (GBR) has been dubbed as the end to "a quarter-century of fragmentation" and a means to provide "accountable national leadership". On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. If only we were to see a coherent joined up livery scheme to run nationwide like the picture above , however I rather suspect this will not be the case. The anniversary of the Battle of Hastings which took place in 1066 was also used in publicity for the line. I think it'll be more like East Coast (or whatever), the full height of the parallel tracks. 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A commonly mistake to make, but one that can easily upset the locals! The devolved administrations, the combined authorities, and the Greater London Authority will continue to exercise their current powers, such as setting fares and awarding contracts, and will remain democratically accountable for this. I personally do not think there should be a standard livery across the network on the grounds that regional identity would be lost. There is also a British Standard paint colour BS381C 114 called Rail Blue which was introduced in 1964. Eventually, it was decided to standardise on a colour which became known as Rail Blue. I wonder if you could make a hybrid of the two? Not the terms I would have used but I see where you might get that impression. The BR Saint & TPO Livery Pack adds additional liveries to the GWR Saint & TPO add-on, enabling you to recreate realistic travelling post office operations in the British Railway era. In October 2021, the Secretary of State for Transport announced a competition to find a location for the headquarters of Great British Railways outside of London. The current lot is an absolute mess. Except their is massive nostalgia for BR days. Messages: 1,398. Although from the mid-1960s to the 1980s the organisation was associated with "Rail Blue", a number of other schemes were also used, especially when it was split into operating units or "sectors" in the mid-1980s. The concession contract system will be the long-term replacement for the previous system of passenger rail franchising run by the Department for Transport, which became unsustainable early in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic. Multiple units were also generally green, although this tended to be a lighter and bluer shade compared to the colour used on steam and diesel locomotives. It might have the operator identified in a small way too. The Class 309 units worked between Liverpool Street and Clacton, occasionally also to Ipswich and Norwich and later upon transfer saw the livery briefly appear around Manchester and Birmingham. At the formation of British Railways on 1 January 1948, early diesel and electric locos and the gas turbine locomotives 18000 and 18100 were already painted black with aluminium trim, but by the late 1950s this had been superseded by the same shade of green that was used on express passenger steam locomotives, although some locomotives were painted in a two-tone Brunswick and Sherwood green livery, and Southern Region electric locomotives were painted a light shade of malachite green. From 1956 maroon (similar to crimson lake) was adopted as the standard colour for coaching stock, with corridor coaches lined and non-corridor plain initially: later on all stock was lined. Great British Railways ( GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain, [1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. It's good work (and the previous set). GBR will be made up of five regional divisions, organised in line with Network Rail's Putting Passengers First programme. Theres no vote in Northern Ireland for him or his Conservative party so he doesnt care, hes hands off.. The BR that believed in having multiple liveries and brands? The coaches for the XP64 train were painted in a slightly lighter version of what would eventually become Rail Blue, with a 44-inch-wide (1,100mm) Pale Ivory stripe centred on the passenger windows, and brown underframe. It is known as Great because it is the largest island in the British Isles, and houses the countries of England, Scotland and Wales within its shores. "Image of No.47163 with Silver Jubilee Union Jack", History of Blood and Custard (Crimson Lake & Cream) Livery, Information on Freight Locomotive Liveries & logos, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_corporate_liveries&oldid=1136093401, Articles with unsourced statements from December 2014, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0. However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. There is surely a case at least for putting the cross-border inter-city services in national colours (perhaps an updated take on Network SouthEast), to match the saltires splashed all over Scotrail trains. Something will need to be kept open for Open Access Operators to be distinguished. Steam locomotive 61306 Mayflower seen just outside Sittingbourne, Kent at lunchtime today. You are using an out of date browser. 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